Thursday, December 22, 2005

Flash Player 8 for Linux update

Update (10/31/06): I still see tons of people reading this old entry. Please read this for up to date information. A beta is now available.

Emmy Huang, Product Manager of the Flash Player, explains what the plans concerning the Linux version of Flash Player 8 are. Instead of releasing a 8.0 version we will directly move to 8.5 on Linux. This will avoid even more delay after we ship Flash Player 8.5 for Windows and Mac. That will also make sure that the new virtual machine works using gcc from start. I see that as a big benefit as gcc is a more strict and standards compliant compiler than Visual Studio or CodeWarrior.

We have a few very good engineers working on the Linux version right now in parallel to the work we do for 8.5. 64bit versions will take a little longer, there are no definite plans just yet. Just recompiling will not work unlike what you might think. The main issue here is the x86 JIT in the virtual machine and the mark&sweep garbage collection which are not 64bit aware right now, work on 32bit pointers only. Adding and testing this is not a small task as anyone who ever worked on this type of low level infrastructure might be able to attest. I can really only ask for patience here, we are aware that we need to offer a solution as soon as possible.

155 Comments:

Blogger gandalf said...

What is the state of the Flash 7 Linux Player? I have been asked about it at work, but last I heard it was pretty buggy and not very dependable. I heard that from people on the Flashcoders list who said they had experience with it.

1. Is this true?
2. I'm hoping FP8.5 or 9 will rock steady on Linux ;)

Thanks for the post.

Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:50:00 PM  
Blogger stefan said...

thanks for the post tinic. always very insighteful! SB

Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:55:00 PM  
Anonymous christian said...

Is there an approximately date for the next standalone linux player release? It would be handy for a project I'm working on. Thanks, chr

Friday, December 23, 2005 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Claus Wahlers said...

Thanks Tinic, that's very good news! I have a couple of big projects that i desparately want to port to AS3, but enterprise clients, devteam members and myself are on Linux, and thus stuck to FP7 (buggy as hell on Linux).

I second christians question about release date. Is the usual "6 months after Win/Mac release" still valid? Earlier? Later? Roughly?

Friday, December 23, 2005 6:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hope to see it soon ;)

Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You said the 64bit version is in the works, is that just for Windows or is it for Linux also? I need a 64bit for linux

Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hope PPC users aren't left in the dark anymore, and someone cross-compiles flash player to Linux/PPC

Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really think it would make a good statement if Macromedia went ahead and released Flash player 8.5 for Linux at the same time as the Windows one. PLEASE.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Macromedia, does any other open source OS besides GNU/Linux exist? Is this code really so convoluted that you can only build it under Linux? And even there, only for x86?

Wondering...

Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, PLEASE support Linux/PPC. With so many very talented programmers, it really shouldn't be so hard. Linux is NOT one architecture, and Free Software is NOT one OS. I don't mean to threaten, but if Macromedia continues to ignore portions of the Free Software community, then we'll eventually come up with a better, more standards-compliant solution that works across all Free Software platforms. We already have the SVG, DOM and ECMAScript engines to do it, and animation software is coming along nicely now.

I'm guessing this Linux update is a result of microsoft's more aggressive steps toward dominating the scalable web graphics market in Vista. So, if you want to choose a side, then do it right, and really choose a side. You'll get our support, if you make a genuine effort. Otherwise, you'll get our disdain. I'm hoping for the best, not the worst :)

Merry Christmas :)

Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am myself a Linux/PPC user, but I doubt anything like a flashplayer for this platform will ever be released.
First as is said in the blog post, porting a JIT engine is not that simple. If it is difficult to port it from x86 to x86_64, imagine what it is to port it to a completely different platform.
Furthermore, with the Apple decision to switch away from the PPC platform, the number of Linux/PPC desktop users will not be getting bigger, to say the least.
So I wouldn't hold my breath.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:48:00 AM  
Anonymous stippi said...

Hi Tinic,

I loved TiniMeter on the Amiga. Do you still use BeOS from time to time? Do you think there is a chance of there ever being another BeOS version of the Flash player?

Best regards,
-Stephan

Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:09:00 AM  
Blogger JLP said...

Great to see this post about development of Flash Player for Linux. I've been waiting for ages to see 64-bit (AMD64) varsion of it. Can't wait until it gets released. Oh and if you need any beta testers for 64-bit version I'll be glad to help.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the 64-bits version... I think many users would actually prefer a slow, interpreted native version than a faster jitted emulated one because the native would enable one to use the native browser - unnecessary of course but makes you feel better.

Looking forward to FP8.5

Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

+1 waiting Linux/PPC flash player

Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:52:00 AM  
Blogger Diego Calleja said...

"Yes, PLEASE support Linux/PPC. With so many very talented programmers, it really shouldn't be so hard. Linux is NOT one architecture, and Free Software is NOT one OS. I don't mean to threaten, but if Macromedia continues to ignore portions of the Free Software community, then we'll eventually come up with a better, more standards-compliant solution that works across all Free Software platforms. We already have the SVG, DOM and ECMAScript engines to do it, and animation software is coming along nicely now."





there's libswfdec - a free software flash implementation. Right now isn't complete, but if eventually it covers most of the functionality not many people will end up using the official unfree version....

Sunday, December 25, 2005 5:28:00 AM  
Blogger Stijn said...

great!! can't wait...

merry christmas.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 6:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Date of release? Rough timeline? Please?

Sunday, December 25, 2005 6:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm waiting for the 64Bits release... :)

Sunday, December 25, 2005 6:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Apreche said...

What about shockwave player for Linux? I know shockwave has pretty much been replaced by flash, but some people still use it. I still come across some games online I can't play because they are shockwave/director and not flash and Linux doesn't have the plugin.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Apreche said...

Oh, I forgot. Can we please have some proper sound support? You know, also since OSS has been deprecated for years now.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:03:00 AM  
Anonymous ILF said...

With the current state of things, all I can suggest is to drop the support for flash on all platforms. Discontinue all flash products and announce that flash is totally useless, meaningless and in general butt-ugly, and tell everyone to start using things that can be used on all platforms!!!

I'm an AMD64(all native) user and Linux/PPC user. No flash for 64-bit linux, no flash for ppc linux, no flash for 64-bit windows even. Marcromedia Flash Sux, people shift to a really portable solution please, so we can finally take back the web!!!

Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you demanding and whiney folk need to read this little post before you ask for much more, it's not that it's "convoluted" it's just very highly optimized:
http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/08/porting-flash-player-to-alternative.html

Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice for Linux x86 but what about others like Linux/PPC or FreeBSD/x86 and many many others ..

Please make it available to every Open Source OS...

Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about FreeBSD version? Thx :)

Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An AMD64 Linux port would be great! Flash is the exception that proves the rule when it comes to open web standards. It would be good to see flash remain relevant and current on the linux side.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Mark said...

Everytime I have navigated to a flash based webpage in the last year, I have just turned away because of the lack of flash and shockwave players for 64bit Linux!

Anyways, 64 bit version would be nice, and maybe a ppc linux version too!

Sunday, December 25, 2005 6:23:00 PM  
Blogger Arun Maurya said...

Thanx a lot! for updating flash player for linux users. but When Macromedia will release its products for Linux

Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:18:00 PM  
Blogger Federico Pistono said...

Linux PPC version....

www.petitiononline.com/fla4lppc/

Monday, December 26, 2005 2:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second what stippi's post about a Macromedia Flash Player for BeOS/ZETA, which seemingly has become a lot easier now with gcc used to build it.

Regards,
-- tic

Monday, December 26, 2005 3:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, I'm hoping to see less flash sites, what I try to achieve as I am a web developer. And I also use 64bit linux so I don't use flash plugin any more. I can say Macromedia made me switch :)

Monday, December 26, 2005 9:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also would like to say a port to PowerPC Linux would make a lot of us happy.

Monday, December 26, 2005 9:51:00 AM  
Anonymous obi said...

Another vote for Linux/PPC

... I'm not holding my breath though. In any case, good to hear you're using gcc now, this probably wasn't an easy switch, but imho it buys you a lot.

I'd also be curious to hear about some technology/library choices you've made, since your last post on porting Flash to alternative platforms.

Monday, December 26, 2005 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please don't focus on 'Linux.'

Please do focus on POSIX-compliant OSes, so as to include FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc. as well as Linux.

- some dude

Monday, December 26, 2005 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.. besides, when does real 3d come to flash?

Monday, December 26, 2005 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous macewan said...

Interesting that instead of having Flash 8 we'll get 8.5 but only after 8.5 has been provided to Windows and Mac.

You've captured hearts with Flash video - but to keep hearts you'll probably want to use kinder gloves while telling us to wait.

Curious how 'alternate' platform friendly companies are when they need to be. Other wise we should just shut the f* up and wait for the bread crumbs.

Nice. Glad to see you're truthful about where we stand in line.

Monday, December 26, 2005 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for all you asking about other platforms besides x86 and possibly 64bit linux, you're absolutely out of your MIND. You have no idea how much work that would be.

Monday, December 26, 2005 5:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's about another OS?

In fact a closed source player sucks like hell. Release the Source and naerly any OS could support FLASH.

There are Windows-Users, Mac-Users, Linux-Users, [Dragonfly,Open,Net,Free]BSD-Users, Plan9-Users, QNX-Users, Solaris-Users.....

How much closed-source players could you handle?

PHP wasn't that succesfull because it was closed-source. And at least JAVA points out whats the real Border is for any language. Why the hell should I care for Java if there's no VM on my OS or the OS I've to program for? It's the same for FLASH indeed..



Kind regards,
Rembrandt

Monday, December 26, 2005 8:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Curious, what are you doing for sound? Will you be using alsa now instead of OSS?

Monday, December 26, 2005 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Begasus said...

How about ZETA?
We can use the old player from macromdia from the time they made it for BeOS but it's outdated.
A new and uptodate version would be nice. ;)

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ppc and amd64 user here.
If all the comments here make it look like Linux is a mass of different system - it is - and one source release can cover it all. Please.

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:46:00 AM  
Blogger DiG said...

It took Juho Snellman about couple of months of voluntere effort at his free time to port SBCL x86 to x86_64. I am sure it is a hard work to port Flash to x86_64 but for a person working full time on this it should not take more than a month. I've been waiting for year for Flash to work on my AMD64. There are other examples in open source comunity like Hans Boehm GC which did not take years to port either.

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 7:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but for a person working full time on this it should not take more than a month. I've been waiting for year for Flash to work on my AMD64.

perhaps, if you can hire the right people. maybe all those skilled in porting 32bit virtualmachines are already employed at Sun, Microsoft, or Apple, or simply dont want to help out this proprietary product..Macromedia emailed me about it after finding my resume on Craigslist and i told them i wasnt interested, and im sure there are others...

I am myself a Linux/PPC user, but I doubt anything like a flashplayer for this platform will ever be released.

simply not true, ive been able to make gorgeous flash-esque apps, both inside browser and standalone, using TCL and Ruby bindings to Cairo, Xara , and the FF Canvas, and i'd take those over JAVAscript (or ActionScript) any day...plus they run anywhere i want them to..unlike flash which has greeted me with a lovely green puzzle piece for the past couple of years :)

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.. as gcc is a more strict and standards compliant compiler than Visual Studio or CodeWarrior ..

quite OT, but the quote above seems to be a really vague rumour to me. the older vc7.1 and the brandnew one are the best, top notch and most standards compliant compilers ever. i mean they have herb sutter and co ...

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are there plans to have a native freebsd version ?

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great to hear that things are moving forward :) Realy waiting on 64bit version :)

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only way for Linux users to boost Adobe to release Flash 8.x for Linux soon is to massively ask to all webmasters to stick with Flash 7.

If most sites stay with Flash 7, Adobe will release Flash 8.X for Linux ASAP...

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:04:00 AM  
Anonymous sonya said...

I'm still wondering why so many people is using flash instead of SVG or whatever...

There is so many time we are waiting for a player...
Stop thinking we are some kind of toy you can use. I'm sic of being rejected of lame website because of flash.

If you are not able to make a player for every single OS/arch (GNU/Linux, GNU/Hurd, *BSD, Solaris, ... and PPC, x86, AMD64, alpha, etc...), then release your source code (or at least all the specifications), people will do it for you.

for all you asking about other platforms besides x86 and possibly 64bit linux, you're absolutely out of your MIND. You have no idea how much work that would be. So you think other people can go to hell ?
Please try to open you mind, your not alone. There is other people than you !
What about W3c, web should be accessible to anyone , blah blah blah ?
Release the source and see if the amount of work is still a problem.

maybe all those skilled in porting 32bit virtualmachines are already employed If skilled people are unavailable, then release this source code and let talented people doing it during their free time... for free

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cool, as soon as Flash 8.5 comes out for Linux, I'll buy the full IDE at that time...

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Skc said...

"there's libswfdec - a free software flash implementation. Right now isn't complete, but if eventually it covers most of the functionality not many people will end up using the official unfree version...."

This is unusable on my Linux/PPC, it make Firefox stop responding or crash. Sound is also an issue. It lock the soundcard.

X.org is very well designed but sound under unix is at level 0, please consider having a way to use different output options: OSS, ALSA, artsd, esd... We can do remote display, but remote sound is painful because every program only support a specific output.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Carsten Otto said...

Despite the fact that the 64bit version is not that easy to create - what is the reason for the very very bad information policy? I spent huge portions of the ending year writing mails to Macromedia kindly asking for information and, well, begging for x86_64 flash - no response yet!

Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:14:00 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

Put simply, you guys are too lazy to do an entire re-write of flash to allow for portability across multiple platforms.

It is nice to know the truth.

Friday, December 30, 2005 1:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Linux zealotry really brings out the worst in people. These comments were atrocious.

Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:02:00 AM  
Blogger compn said...

any chance you could hack up a quick way to save rtmp streams? i'm a sucker for recording streaming media and screen capturing is such an ugly hack...

mail me patriotact (onthat) gmail.com .

Friday, January 06, 2006 4:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure I'm following. Isn't the PPC a 64-bit platform? Isn't Flash already on MacOSX? If so, doesn't that mean that it already compiles on not only a 64bit platform but on the PPC? Is the real bottleneck rewriting the bindings to X?

-- ean at brainfood dot com

Friday, January 06, 2006 9:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good to finally hear something -- thanks for the update!

That FP8.5 is coming up is very good news. Please count my vote for amd64 support, too, but I guess we'll get it for FP9 anyway.

Is there a chance we'll see a public alpha in time for the win/mac release?

mark

Friday, January 06, 2006 6:39:00 PM  
Anonymous t said...

ean--

No, only the G5 is 64-bit, and even then most of Mac OS isn't. However, given Linux/x86 and Mac/PPC ports, a good design could easily support Linux/PPC and Mac/x86.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi! :) i just would like to know a possible date when linux flashplayer 8 will be released?? you see i currently have a school project that uses flash 8 and our instructor wants us to demonstrate it on linux.
will the flashplayer be released this month or the next or the month after that?

thank you and God Bless! :)

Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An aside:

There's a special Linux implementation that would greatly benefit from a Flash player. THe "One Laptop Per Child" project developed at MIT, they are giving away some 7 million systems to 3rd world countries this year with hopes of selling 100 Million in the year or 2 after. This $100 laptop desigh relies heavily on open source for cost reduction, maybe they will have to settle for one of the open source players.

http://laptop.media.mit.edu/

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amd64 freebsd user here. i am sure there are alot more. maybe you could help us out with a ver. too

Friday, January 13, 2006 1:46:00 AM  
Anonymous macewan said...

>> Linux zealotry really brings
>> out the worst in people. These
>> comments were atrocious.

If not for the Mac & Linux crowd Adobe/Macromedia would be left with Windows only for Flash. Doubt this is what they desire.

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any updates when the new player for Linux will be out.

Thank you
ED

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any word on a universal binary Mac player or IDE?

Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not FreeBSD again? Is it too difficult afterall?

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can I assume that when the port of the Flash Player source to GCC is completed that this opens the door to the availabilty on more UNIX type systems of the Flash Player?

PS: Kaourantin.net is for me the only blog worth reading about Flash technolgy. Whished you posted more frequent.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saying that the Linux build is an opportunity to exercise gcc may be true -- but it's not the only opportunity.

If you are building Flash 8.5 to run on Mac Intel boxes, you have to be using Xcode because CodeWarrior doesn't have an x86 compiler (Motorola sold the x86 compiler to a third party six months before the Mac Intel announcement). Xcode uses gcc. So you must be getting gcc coverage already, or else you aren't building Mac Intel. But you have to -- Rosetta can't be run against plugins, so Flash running within Intel native Safari has to be Intel native itself.

Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it's time for Macromedia to re-think their closed-source-dness of either their SWF format or their player. It seems rather ironic that Adobe, whose policy with PDF files was to permit open source file viewers but Adobe remained the licensor of the generators, now owns Macromedia, whose policy was to open source the format but with the stipulation that they were the sole source of the viewers.

Macromedia makes great products and many Linux users would be willing to pay for Linux versions of their SWF creation tools but the format should be open source (including ActionX).

Personally, I refuse to put my data into a file whose format that I might not be able to read later on because the sole source of the reader discontinues support my computing platform.

--Saul Goode

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, here is to a 8.5 linux release.
I am starting to get the version 8 only flash message from websites now :(

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi i'm a happy linux user (gentoo) and i like flash, for flash 8 content i use mozilla firefox the windows version, witch runs on a virtual windows created by wine, it works great that way but i hoop that next time adobe will release the win an linux version at the same time

Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Jon said...

I use Linux as my main OS and was glad to read this news (that 8.5 will be available for Linux in the future).

However, some of the comments on this blog post are ridiculous.

"Please make it available to every Open Source OS..."

Seriously? Do you have any idea how many open source OSs there are?

"How about ZETA?"

Wow. How many people are using ZETA? It's microscopic compared to the amount using the 'big three' (mac / win / lin).

"What about shockwave player for Linux?"

If this much work is required to get Flash running on 'just' win / lin and mac, do you have any idea how much work would be needed for Shockwave? I rarely ever see a Shockwave site when I browse. I can't even remember the last one I ran into. Plus, Crossover supports Shockwave so if you need it that badly, use that software.

Anyways, good to hear that a new version of the Flash player will make it to Linux. I thought macromedia had 'forgotten' about it after the 7.0 release.

Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please, do something with flash 8 support, _everybody_ is making flash 8 sites, since the beginning of the year I've seen a lot of times the "update to flash 8" message, and the last week about 7, 8 times.

At least release a pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha version to play with, and, if possible, please do a _stable_ plugin, and please again: _fast_. Because the difference of the speed rendering between windows and linux plugins is... well. There's a thing called OpenGL out there.

thanks.

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any news when 8.5 for linux will be available? there seems to be no video-news site left which does not use 8.o....

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

use flash player 8.5 in linux by wine:
http://blog.eshangrao.com/index.php/2006/02/28/209-flex2-flash-player-85-for-linux

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what you can't see on these nice screenshots if you use flash 8 on wine is annoying flickering on your animation.

forget flash on wine!

we need native flash support on linux!

otherwise, stay with your old plain html and animated pics, or use java applet.

Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:02:00 AM  
Blogger liquidat said...

Already tired of reading comments to this post? ;-)

I'm just here for a short question: will asla be supported?
The other sound solutions are pretty uninteresting: oss bcame obsolete, artsd will die with KDE4, so that shouldn't be an option also, so there is only esd left - but for the most people true alsa support (alsa-dmix) should be enough - than ou can play different audio apps in parallel (which is not possible in every case with other solutions like oss emulation).

So, if you are sure in this one case (ALSA yes or no) I would be very thankful if you can point that out.

Regards,

liquidat

Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who says you must use gcc? Maybe the real problem is that your compiler won't compile your MMX code for Linux. If thats the case, please blame the people behind your compiler for not supporting Linux.

When it comes to sound, Flashpayer is not the only program that plays sound under Linux. The only problem with Linux is that it offers too many options. You are doing the Linux community a favor by choosing the best sound standard.

Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:34:00 AM  
Blogger Claudio said...

My comment is only to say "present!". I'm another Linux 64-Bit user waiting for Flash for the architecture.

Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to request that a Flash plugin for Linux/PPC be hopefully released.

Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is there at least an alpha version of flash player 8.5 for linux which one could test???? far too many websites are using 8.0 now, which leaves all linux users out.

Monday, March 20, 2006 1:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another 64 bit user waiting to experience Flash...

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SUPPORT GNU GNASH

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do support gnu gnash, but until it is capable of dealing with flash 8.0 and higher it isn't much of a help either.

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FreeBSD, Free BSD, FreeBSD!!!!!!!

Why can't you guys do a FreeBSD version?

Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anton Borzov said...

freeBSD?

Monday, March 27, 2006 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Claus Christensen said...

Any news on the Flash 8.5 for Linux?

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any news on flash 8.5 release date for linux. How about a 64 bit version

Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

adobe sucks

Friday, March 31, 2006 2:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Well we've been living without flash8/Shockwave support on Linux for some time, so take your time.
Meanwhile I'll keep going away from pages pages using that stuff.

Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for those who haven't actually bothered to look @ the flash 8.5 beta 2, you'd be shocked to hear that there is NO Linux version. they either plan on not shiping a linux version OR release it AFTER they release flash 8.5

this is very disappointing, if they aren't skilled enough to port it to linux, then they should atleast talk to a ubuntu or suse developer and get them to sign a NDA. They could port it to linux, then macromedia could still take the credit.

Monday, April 03, 2006 4:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comcast is just now joining the ranks of those needing flash 8 support

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i put a message to support the develeoppement of the 8.5 linux player. Will be great. hope there will be a beta, i wil test and report bugs. i'm testing as 3.0 on windows.
a swf compilator for linux would be great too !!!

Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. I'm Linux AMD64 x86_64 user. It's sad, there still isn't such version of flash for Linux 64. :/

People at adobe (?). We are in year 2006 and there is not only one right OS: windo$e. Think about that.

When, when, when 64Bit version of flash for linux and others too ?

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could use the linux players under FreeBSD using FreeBSD's linux support...if the license didn't explicitly prohibit it!

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately Flash is a closed-source product that became a de-facto standard. This allows Adobe to cut-off non Windoze OS users from the fruition of the most recent Flash technology.
This is a grave problem that should advise people to move away from proprietary technology.

Friday, April 14, 2006 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adobe have some of the very best software in the multimedia market. But I shall not use it nor encourage others to use it, mainly because of their attitude towards non-MS users. Sites that use Flashplayer shall see me for long enough to post them a nice letter stating why I will not visit their site again and why I shall discourage others from doing the same.

I have voted with my feet(fingers). I hope all you others do too.

Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, it seems linux users have to rely on the quick progress of the gnash-project, if they want to be able to enjoy flash 8 content (or higher).

I have just made a donation....

Monday, April 17, 2006 2:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Linux/AMD_64 user here. This is what happens if we allow a proprietary software to become standard. Freedom was never cheap. Develop.Contribute.Donate.
We will overcome&prevail.

Tuesday, April 18, 2006 2:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FONT support

Please make the flash player have proper, fontconfig, support.

Friday, April 28, 2006 6:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is getting ridiculous. Adobe should realize that there are now more Linux than Mac-users. With China increasingly deciding for Linux, there is even the possibility that it may become a serious competitor for Windows. I wonder if it is wise to anger such a rapidly growing potential customer base. OpenOffice and other open source projects have already demonstrated, that even supposed monopolists can be threatened

Friday, April 28, 2006 7:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adobe/Macromedia are one of the better companies for linux development. All those companies releasing hardware with no linux drivers / software. Shame about Flash 8, but I think they've made the right decision. I'd prefer to have Flash 9 sooner, than having Flash 8 and constantly losing ground between Windows and Linux releases. Adobe don't have an endless budget for Linux users.

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judging by all of the comments here, I think this shows to Adobe that Linux is growing in popularity. There IS A MARKET out there for software that runs on Linux. I'm happy to hear that you will be releasing a version of the player for Linux soon which will put it on par with the players for Mac & Win. Still would love you have a Flash MX Studio on Linux, but I guess I can only dream of using my Linux box to create flash movies. Is Adobe hiring?

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Tr0n said...

Judging by the replies, Linux users are getting dumber and dumber!

From what I've read up, gcc has been more standard compliant for YEARS. I'm not sure how true/untrue this has been (I did hear VC7.1 or newer became fairly close a year or two ago).
I've been waiting for about half a year, for an 8 flash player.
Not too bad, expect for the fact all these websites are compiling the flash FOR flash 8 - why not backward compile it? Surely it would be the same - although perhaps different code.

Back onto the 8.5 Linux port. I'm a bit saddenned by the fact there's no Linux Beta, but not really angry about it. I'm more angry that I can only find info on this by searching google and going through 3 links to find this blog. Please, someone update the flashpage/FAQ with info on the Linux status.. Otherwise we're left in the dark. Even if you show us you're only 50% done, with another 6 months ahead etc, we know where we are.

--
Tr0n

Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can't even predict a release date flash clearly isn't the platform independent solution it claims to be.

Friday, May 05, 2006 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HI!
welll i think that to make flash "open source" would make it better...
there are numerus licenses like;
LGPL, bsd, x windows licens, all open-sourc-ish

Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm other Linux AMD64 x86_64 user waiting..

Monday, May 08, 2006 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am hoping that Flash Player 8.5 for Linux is better than Flash Player 7! I have seen various bugs in flash player 7, such as text not showing up on some flash movies and a larger CPU usage than the Windows version.
Hopefully these problems and others will be addressed. It would be great to hear about the progress so far.

Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Furahi said...

I sure hope the new version finally comes with more than one output plug in, and if it's only one I hope it's not locking OSS as it h as always been with Flash player for Linux.
I say having ALSA and an OSS as sound options would be reasonable, although if it was modular and supported plugins people could develop their own plugins for other sound architectures like Arts and esound.

In any case I hope the desync of video and audio is fixed too

Friday, May 12, 2006 8:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umh, it's been over nine months since the launch of Flash 8. Web pages that require F8 are very common and still we don't see even a beta version of FP8(.5) for GNU/Linux. Very disappointing, Adobe. Shame on you!

Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patience? Ask all Flash developers out there to NOT USE Flash 8 and stick to Flash 7.

Since there will be no Flash 8 player for linux, and next player will take too long to be released, there is no reason to use Flash 8.

Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Linux only user I'm very disappointed. More and more of my favorite websites have migrated to Flash 8. Is Macromedia being sponsored by Microsoft or what?

Monday, May 15, 2006 9:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The linux32 command is a shell hack to fool it's child processes into
thinking that there is only 3GB's of user space (as a the 32-bit suse linux
would report) and make 'uname -a' report an arch type of i686 for Java's
sake. It will work on 64 bit browsers
Here is how you do it.

1 Download and uncompress install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz.
2 After uncompressing the file, a directory called install_flash_player_7_linux is created. Navigate to this directory.
3 From the command line, type

linux32 ./flashplayer-installer

to run the installer. Done
see if this will work

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMD64 - Linux user here ..
As long as the most recent Flash is well supported, people will tolerate a closed format like SWF to be exploited by a company. But when it's getting serious like this... an alternative is never far away.

Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a web/software developer for The
The Dept Of Commerce National Weather Service. To serve the public we have to be totally accesible as the information (Watches and Warnings) are of life saving importance. We simply cannot tolerate Macromedia's to support all platforms (Heck I develop web pages on Linux running Apache and PHP) and so we have migrated away from Flash all together. I have had such bad luck with Flash anyway. It is so clunky and slow. We have gotten a lot of positive feedback when we switch to generating dynamic images using php and the GD graphics library. Check it out: http://nsstc.uah.edu/alclimate/index_nojava.php
Mobile users:
http://nsstc.uah.edu/alclimate/mobile/index.php?fips=ALC073

Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i visited http://nsstc.uah.edu/alclimate/index_nojava.php

i must say.... screw flash, that site is sweet

Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm another amd64 Linux user here waiting for Flash. It's a nice technology. But it's not the web, so, until it's available, I'll keep upgrading, browsing pages, and living without Flash. It's no big loss. The only "losers" are the sites that use Flash at all.

Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FlashPlayer8 for linux is a joke. We've been waiting for too long now, I think we'll never have it. "A few good developpers", hum, lmao. Is few > 1 ?

Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the guy who wrote:
"FlashPlayer8 for linux is a joke. We've been waiting for too long now, I think we'll never have it. "A few good developpers", hum, lmao. Is few > 1 ?"



they probably hired new developers for the job and they're still trying to figure out how to work linux....

To the developers: insert any linux distro cd into cdrom, click "start" then click "Shut Down" and select "Restart"
after your computer reboots, there will be a mysterious new screen that you've never seen before... just press "enter" and let it do what it needs to do.

Monday, June 05, 2006 7:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't mind having to put up with a proprietry plugin for Linux...

What I do mind is that a lot of the big corporate site out there are using version 8 for their web-pages and purely down to Macromedia's inability (or other) we are being DENIED access to valuble content if we have either 64bit anything, or 32bit Linux.

This post was written in December 2005, come-on, it's like 6 months down the road now, and still nothing, we are still being DENIED access to the content.

It is a total and utter disgrace.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Couple things we can do:

-complain to sites that use Flash that we can't see their content and ask them to dump the Flash applet.

-in my job as a web developer at a massive b2b publishing company, I can forgo Adobe products, including Flash and DW for other open source or competitive products, like Java.

Eff Adobe.

Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Toma said...

For the millions of sites out there that use Flash, surely Macromedia/Adobe should wake up to the other platforms? According to ZDnet "Revenue rose to $635.5 million" for Adobe after buying Macromedia. Surely they could spend $1 million of that $635 million on getting their linux clients (Across ALL PLATFORMS ie, ppc, 64bit,sparc) up to scratch!?

Better yet, GPL the player code and we'll port our own damn plugin.

Time they took their head out of thier colons and realised there is more out there apart from Windows+Explorer.

Saturday, July 01, 2006 7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Cupu said...

It's actually a very crappy deal ...
Today I got sick of seeing "Flash 8 required" on my linux box .. and decided to upgrade (Seems I was a little out of date) .. I found that not only my one option is flash 7 for linux .. but flash 9 is in some beta stage (of course not for linux .. and a bunch of other OSes/platforms for that matter) ...

I fell like we're having some sort of leap-version offering from adobe on flash player

It kinda sucks ... I was never a flash developer (because I suck as a designer .. and actionscript .. well .. it has it's problems) .. but I liked some people's work in it .. I can definately say that I'm going to be totally ignorant to flash from now on

Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Curtis said...

Where the heck is it?? Flash Player 9 is out now for windows and mac, and we're all in the dark here. I'm seriously not liking this Adobe buyout of Macromedia! Seems that linux support is now gone, which they tout as one of the benefits of flash!

Craptacular indeed!

Monday, July 17, 2006 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might as well forget about it. This will come down to one developer representing himself as the champion of Linux flash players, and he will act as the scapegoat. He will complain that due to not getting paid or something, that he is ceasing development of the Linux flash player. Thus, making it look like the whole Linux concept is flawed because developers just don't get paid to do the work. BS. There are plenty of competent developers out there. I was floored when I actually saw the developers themselves asking for people to submit resumes. Are you kidding me? There is actually a requirement for hiring developers, and for some reason Macromedia has such a problem finding them that they are asking their employees to search for talent? This whole thing smells like a giant piss filled snowball. Funny how there are developers working on a GNU replacement for Flash player, but Macromedia can't find developers to write the actual player. Give me a freaking break. Flash is now non-ubiquitous. Forget about it. Complain to sites that you cannot see their content. A lot of it is just being used as a wrapper for video. You don't need flash to present actual video. You don't even need to publish your flash content as an swf. You can export it as a video, and wrap it with something more sensible. Drop the player. Flash is best as a creative tool, not a presentation medium. It's funny how we need flash swf files because it would be hard to stream large file video, yet that is being done every day now. The day is over when swf files are needed to present video or animation. If you're going to require something of me, I'd rather it be bandwidth than running a proprietary player. Wrap it in an avi, give it some java protection or something, and move on.

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a real disgrace. It's almost the end of July and not even a beta for us to use.With so many sites switching in the last few months from streaming ASF and/or QT to Flash, and requiring Flash 8, Linux users are steadily having more and more problems viewing content. How much longer before Google or Youtube require Flash 8? You can bet if/when that happens, Linux users will still be stuck with version 7.

Get it together, Adobe. You of all companies should know that Linux isn't just some fringe uber-nerd OS anymore, and it needs to be supported just like Windows and Mac platforms.

Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work in a company which creates Flash games. We now use Flash v8, but it is very disappointing that there's still no support of Flash v8 for Linux platform!
And we're stuck into Flash, because there's just no other viable options for us, Flash is perfect for creating games.

Please please create Flash Player v8 for Linux! People are desperate.

Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Michael said...

You can request Flash Player 8 for Linux here.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See:

http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/05/yes_virginia_th.cfm

for more info on Flash >8 for Linux...

Friday, August 18, 2006 1:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't help but support the frustrations voiced by annon above. Why? - well its pretty obvious why - resouces cost $$$s, what else drives corps to do what they do.

Best hope is for GNU to come up with a alternative solution. Because of this cul-de-sac I'm now opting to reccommend publishing in QT and other Universal formats - that Linux/Mac & yes even Windows can read.

Friday, August 18, 2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger jago said...

Even if they release 9 this very second who's to say it won't happen again in the future?

Avoid flash if you possibly can.

Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're developing flash apps, I'd consider the turnaround time for flash player 7 for Linux to flash player 9 as an development period you have available to migrate to a platform independent format, so your products won't be restricted to a limited customer base by a 3rd parties (Adobe) slow development cycle.
It doesn't make sense to pay for a development suite from a 3rd pary, who aren't going to enable the products you develop to be adequately published, because they've only fully completed the developer suite and not the end user engine.

Get your products up-to-date by using a development product that gets developed.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adobe,you suck.Get it together with the Linux support.This is ridiculous.

Monday, September 25, 2006 3:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that Adobe could care less about keeping Linux up to date and that they also have their hands in Bill Gates pockets? If it is true, then it's only a matter of time before the only people using Adobe products will be ignorants and people that write applications for ignorants.kcidhb

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've personally had it with Flash. Every time I come across a site that I can't view because I don't have the appropriate Flash version, I fire off an E-mail and tell them I would like to visit their site, but Adobe has locked me out. Shut the door. Said, "Use the other drinking fountain."

So what is one to do? I don't know. I'm sending off a lot of E-mails, which means I can't view a lot of sites out there.

There are more Linux users than Macs, so you have to wonder why we don't always have the latest Flash player.

Screw 'em!

Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have to say I am very peeved off with Adobe. It is true that there are now more desktop linux users than mac users, but still we are left out like some third rate citizen.

We have had to wait a very long time and still are! Only the occasional glimmer of hope on the dev's weblogs as to when it will be out, but still no date.

I am quite sure that they are not too bothered about us linux users otherwise they would have pulled their finger out, thrown more resourses at the development and got it sorted.

When (if) we do eventually get the flash 9 player, how long will it be untill the next version #10 comes out for the majority platform (windows) and minority plaftorm (mac) and we are left out again, will we have to wait for version 11?

I think all linux servers should deny the delivery of all flash files untill this is fixed.

Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adobe sucks. Get us a bloody flash 9 player.

Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for writing a post on this........Why don't u try to co-ordinate all ur windows and linux releases??
The problem I am facing now is that some web applications in some news channels demand Flashplayer 8 bcos it is available for windows.So it will be really nice if u release both versions(linux as well as windows simaltaneously)

S.Manohar

Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JIT, virtual machine. Isn't the firefox flash player plugin written in C? i can't image that flash is executing in a vm!

Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with all the linux community about Flash 8. I personally close any website that I can not display in my linux box, because if the administrator does not care about linux users its website probably does not even deserve to be seen at all.

What is really funny is that there is no compatibility with previous versions neither at lower performances...

This seems to me very bad engineering... and worse marketing...

I'm Italian so: "Tirate fuori una versione di flash per linux, CAZZO!"

Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with all the other guys. Everyone else keeps the linux user in the loop. But because of adobe I can't view a lot of websites because I "don't have flash player 8" Don't be mad adobe because the free gimp is every bit as good as the $500 photoshop, and just give us the flash player updates.

Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After so many crashes (SYSTEM CRASHES!) on my Linux notebook when running flash, just to run a simple movie or view a web site which should have been designed in HTML in the first place, I hereby swear off flash FOREVER!!!

The web is an information medium based on standards.

Want to post a movie that EVERYONE can view? Use mpg or some other published stardard format.

Want to post audio? Again, use a standard and published format or stream.

Want to create a web site that EVERYONE can view? Use HTML.

Want more "flash" on your site? (Tastefully and sparingly) insert an animated GIF. Or add some javascript effects.

Want better response times for users? Use AJAX.

Want to create a video game? Well, let's just say that "real" video game development houses don't write their games in flash.

I'm completely disgusted by the rampant poor web design choices via the inappropriate use of flash. See toyota's web site for example.

Again, the web is an information medium and people visit web sites primarily for information, be it a social network, or a shopping site. Why as a web site designer, would you want to give them anything but? Forcing visitors to use Flash to view your site is as stupid as a car dealership rufusing to sell you a car unless you are wearing the style of sunglasses they have a thing for.

Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm reading this blog, and it says that the 64-bit flash player is "in the works".
Looks like it's been "in the works" for almost 2 years.

Either adobe programmers are incompetent, or there is a political reason for this. Either way, Adobe needs to step up. Considering the state of the web (as detailed in the previous comment), the lack of a 64-bit flash player in the face of 64-bit linux being released into the wild 3 years ago is inexcusable

Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:17:00 AM  
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hi everybody.I am new to Linux.I want to watch www.youtube.com and www.veoh.com sites (films and video clips) but I HAVE NO IDEA :
what are the exactly steps to download the required plug ins for Linux (KNOPPIX version) I would appreciate any person who could help me. my email is athanleflorop@yahoo.com DESPERATE to be able to see my love sites in Linux !!! :( Help please.

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I just installed Fedora 8 and am setting up my system. Adobe - could you give some information about where you are with this?

Friday, November 23, 2007 7:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm currently assessing how (if?) I can get Flash running under Linux on an "old world" PPC Mac. I thought SOME kind of player existed, but am apparently wrong. :( I look forward to a fast, reverse-engineered, open source implementation that makes Adobe irrelevant.

One suggestion, Adobe?

When you write Flash 10, if you choose to stagger the releases for the current supported platforms, add a popup to the authoring software, suggesting that coders stick to generating Flash 9 or earlier formats unless absolutely, necessary....because suggesting that your web visitors "go the hell" is not a way of making customers, friends, or anything. Thanks.

Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Dave Nofmeister said...

Thanks for the added link that points to your "Flash Player version 9" update!

Monday, January 07, 2008 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger gumpish said...

"64bit versions will take a little longer, there are no definite plans just yet."

Yeah, been nearly three years since this blog post. Flash 10 and no 64-bit build... =/

But kudos for getting x86 Linux version out at the same time. Rome wasn't built in a day, right? =)

Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:50:00 PM  

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